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    Pre-Nicene christians and the trinity

    by joey jojo in
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    2. beliefs

    this is just a quick summary that might be useful regarding the threads about the trinity currently on the board.. in 325 ce, the nicene council was called by constantine to settle schisms within the christian church.

    the argument about the nature of jesus in relation to god was one of the big problems that needed resolution.

    at first, constantine told the 2 main players, alexander and arius to sort it out between themselves, as he, constantine didnt see it as overly important.

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  • Anony Mous
    Anony Mous

    @Sea Breeze: this is about the historical record, not the theology. And your argument rejects the existence of the soul separate from the body, the fact Jesus said he was “going to” hell for 3 days etc. It is a WTBTS question that only arises if you reject a spirit Jesus (whether that is triune is irrelevant to that argument). WTBTS rejects Jesus and makes him an angel that formed a body and if he had no soul and there is no hell, then you are kind of stuck after he dies.

    @Earnesst and @aqqswad: I said Arianism was spread after his death and morphed into anti-trinitarianism under Justin the Apostate (wonder why he’s called that?), but that was long after the Nicene Christianity was established and Arian himself had died, 6th and 7th century Arianism is completely different and does reject the trinity, the divinity of Christ etc.

    The claim was that Arian himself rejected the trinity and that this was discussed under the First Council of Nicaea, the Nicene Christians knew that Arian’s teaching would lead to the outright rejection of the trinity and deity of Christ, replacing it with a pagan Roman polytheism and that is what they wrote about the ideas of Arian, but this was not the point of discussion at the Council, the point of the Council was whether the trinitarian God was a singular deity made of the same substance or whether there was an eternal God was of similar substance to the trinitarian God, which Arian held the first existed separate and then created (finite) the other parts to become the trinitarian God. It sounds weird to us, but trying to merge pagan ideas such as polytheism into Christianity was common at that time to attract other groups and people.